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  No. 546
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>>552
Cool site lukyon

Do you think imageboard users are interested in discussing advanced science and mathematics? also what is your speciality? math? chemicals? can i post drug making tutorials here?
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  No. 549 >>550

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Hello, kuz!


>Do you think imageboard users are interested in discussing advanced science and mathematics?
Some are and this site is for them.

>also what is your speciality? math? chemicals?
My speciality is making this website and when there is nothing left to do I will hang around /meta/ and /dev/.

>can i post drug making tutorials here?
That's impossible to moderate without lawyers and it would quickly scare off my advertisers so Mathchan won't be allowing that.
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  No. 550 >>551
>>549
Did you program all these new features to vichan yourself?
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  No. 551

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>>550
Well, I'm the only dev.

Mathchan is going to be the most sophisticated imageboard in the world and once we gather enough knowledge and expertise we shall rule the world
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  No. 552
﮳>>546
hi kuz
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  No. 558
KUZ I WILL KILL YOU

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  No. 514
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I like the theme and the board selection is good
I think this chan could be successful if you keep it looking like a normal site for normal people instead of letting it devolve into an anime spam tranny cesspool like every other chan
Good luck with the site
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  No. 515

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Thank you! New website features are planned to be published on Saturday which are going to make Mathchan a lot more usable and much more resilient to spammers.

The rules are lax for now because there is no discussion happening yet in order to disrupt it.

I am well aware of Soyjak Party raiding Mathchan, as well as the specific thread on /raid/, but I have banned nobody because there is no reason to and it may be said Soyjak Party is ostensibly helping with Mathchan's preliminary testing. You guys are welcome to continue funposting on Mathchan boards as long as you don't give me a lot of work to do so I can focus on my development.
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I had an idea for an imageboard just like this one some time ago but never put work into it because I can't into webdev. What great joy I had when I saw this! Wishing the best of luck to this imageboard.

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  No. 541
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My apologies if there IS indeed RSS for boards, I have not seen it.
So, I support altchans, I think they are valuable. However, I don't want to go to each chan to see what's up, and I like to see if there's RSS so I can add them to a list of RSS feeds I have for forums. Can a feature like this be implemented?
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  No. 542 >>543
Not sure how userful it is but every board has 
index.rss
(
https://mathchan.org/meta/index.rss
for this one).
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  No. 543
>>542
I fucking knew I missed something. Thanks anon
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  No. 544
don't forget about 4chan compatible json api, if based lukyon reflected his changes in it i don't know but it's there

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  No. 534
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>>535
Hey I noticed links posted here get "cloaked" through the 
exit?u=ID
endpoint. This is bad.

Link-shorteners make link-rot so much worse. When a shortening service dies, all links it resolved are lost forever too. By acting as a middleman, shorteners add another point of possible failure in the chain: https://www.economist.com/international/2012/10/13/cut-short

If mathchan dies, links in threads people may have backed up or archive die too. Perhaps this is OK or intended in sites designated for ephemeral discussion, but I get the impression your site is for discussion of pretty serious topics. Think about people, X years, who want to reference dead threads from here and do so through a 3rd party like the wayback machine. Or people today who simply want to read your site offline and want know where links lead to at least.
Don't mess with links.
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  No. 535 >>536
>>534
Links are cloaked and put through 
exit?u=ENCODED_URL
in order to display Mathchan's exit point disclaimer. This is done for the following two reasons:
  1. To protect users from accidentally clicking on harmful links that are posted on Mathchan (such phishing sites or sites with criminal content) before Mathchan's staff is alerted and has a chance to take it down.
  2. To disassociate Mathchan from any websites users link to as well as hint the search engines that Mathchan does not want to associate with these sites (All user-generated links have 
    rel="ugc nofollow"
    )

Trusted sites (like links to Mathchan itself) are not put through disclaimer and resolve immediately. Links to some well-known sites (like Google, Youtube, Reddit, Twitter etc.) are distrusted by default because privacy conscientious users may not agree with privacy policy of these sites and do not want to let them know Mathchan was the site that referred them. Therefore, these sites have to go through the exit point too. When user settings becomes available there will be an option to whitelist certain sites in order to circumvent the disclaimer for sites you trust. URLs to websites that Mathchan trusts are going to have direct links but for now 
\url
and 
\href
commands put all URLs through the exit point.


>If mathchan dies, links in threads people may have backed up or archive die too
If Mathchan is recursively mirrored then exit points ought to be mirrored with it too. Exit points contain a real URL so there would be no issue following the links on Mathchan's future archive.

Also, URLs are not shortened, nor encrypted. They are just encoded and can be easily reconstructed by replacing 
._-
with 
+/=
and running them through a base64 decoder (which is the current way Mathchan encodes URLs). Creating a URL shortener or encrypting URLs was in consideration but that would require us to maintain database of shortened URLs or an encryption key with no real benefits of doing so. If any of these are lost, all links on Mathchan would be dead. Unfortunately, encoding URLs has a signiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>535
You know, I was interested to ask this because this is the only image board I can name that messes with URLs. Somewhat reminded me of lame forums that you needed to register to follow links.
>Search engines can easily consider 
https://terrorism.org/
a URL slug and tank Mathchan's rankings
Now that I think about it, I don't remember making a search on google and have an imageboard be one of the results, even when there's a thread that fits that search query better than any of the results that actually come up. Imageboards do come up if I search the name, so they're not all blacklisted. It seems (mainstream) search engines don't regard imageboards highly.
Is this actually because chans have an unusual frequency of naughty links? If that's true then cloaking is a good move for Mathchan. Or is that chans simply don't practice aggressive SEO to earn a place in the first page of results?

I appreciate that resolving 
exit?u=
doesn't rely on a database, and the encoded URL is just that, it can be decoded. But is a nebulous (AFAIK) search engine optimization principle worth the inconvenience? I think you downplay how inconvenient it is:
>If Mathchan is recursively mirrored then exit points ought to be mirrored with it too. Exit points contain a real URL so there would be no issue following the links on Mathchan's future archive.
I highly doubt there will be an anywhere near competent Mathchan archive. Only 4chan has dedicated archives, other chans at most have individual pages saved on the wayback machine. Links in Mathchan are broken in the Wayback Machine, and they're also broken when casually downloading one thread with 
Ctrl+S
.

You underestimate your users' incompetence, and underestimate their competence at the same time. You expect users to be able to do recursive mirroring or base64 decode URLs. But you don't expect them to think before choosing to click link so you greet them with an obnoxious "Are sure you want to exit?" page. Nor do you expect privacy-conscious users to configure their own browser to not send referer headers, if that's their concern.
>1. To protect users from accidentally clicking on harmful links that are posted on MathchanPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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  No. 538 >>539
>>536
>this is the only image board I can name that messes with URLs.
This is also one of the few imageboards with significant innovation, which comes with some responsibility. If we are going to provide users with a rich markup that can embed URLs, LaTeX figures etc. then we have to think about how we are going to do that securely. We could've allowed embedding URLs like javascript:while(1); that would've crashed your browser but we don't want browsing Mathchan to feel like a minefield. 
\url{...}
and 
\href{...}{...}
are there to allow posters link to other websites but users should not be afraid of clicking them, voluntarily or involuntarily.

>Is this actually because chans have an unusual frequency of naughty links?
Yes, and anonymous image boards in particular have a troubled history with this stuff. There is a CSAM linking spambot that plagues all imageboards including Mathchan and we already have two of its IP addresses permabanned, though this one will be thwarted by Mathchan's captcha.

>But is a nebulous (AFAIK) search engine optimization principle worth the inconvenience?
This is not just for search engines but for your security as well. If you're browsing Mathchan at work or school, you may have to install their root certificate in which case your organization will act as the man in the middle between you and Mathchan. If they scan the page you're looking at and find 
<a>
tags linking to a blacklisted/criminal websites, you will be in trouble. Even if your connection is secure, it's better if you can review the link before following especially if it's given using 
\href{...}{...}
(e.g. Click me). Malicious users may also try to conceal a link using 
\color{...}
or 
\colorbox{...}{...}
in order to trick you into clicking it. They may also use 
\href{...}{...}
to make it look like 
\url{...}
and triPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>538
You've made good points about security. And while I still believe link cloaking is an inconvenience to some aspects of user interaction, you've convinced me its possible benefits outweigh those bumps.
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>>539
We should have a pop up like pic related but that'll take a while because lukyon is the only developer.

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  No. 517
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having boards dedicated to such specific topics is a terrible idea, surely anyone with half a brain realizes this?
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  No. 518
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  No. 519
>surely anyone with half a brain realizes this?
I don't know. Would a stupid person start a chan like this?
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  No. 537
It's fine, it only lacks an overboard.

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  No. 520
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It has been a week since Mathchan has been launched into existence - last Saturday on Christmas, 25th of December 2021. Today, it's New Year's eve. Mathchan wishes you all a Happy New Year! We hope you continue following us as we make this website ever more useful and, hopefully by the end 2022, we will make it feature complete and bug free.

To celebrate this occasion, Mathchan implemented a new feature today - one without which Mathchan would certainly be unusable: instantaneous post prevewing. The feature is toggled by checking the Preview Post check box, or by pressing ALT + P while focused inside the comment text field. Upon activation, a new section will appear rendered identically as it would be if you posted it. Almost all of Mathchan's markup can be rendered instantaneously. The commands that cannot be rendered instantaneously are the ones which require server rendering, such as 
\chemfig{...}
and 
\tikzpicture{...}
. To render these, simply stop typing for 25 seconds and they will be automatically rendered too.

In the first week of our existence, we were raided by the folks from Soyjak Party. Because they are among the first users of Mathchan (and thus Mathchan's historical oldfags), I have banned none of them - in fact, two global emojis were added in order to honor your legacy to this website - soyjak and thrembo . In addition, to accommodate our visiting guests from Soyjak Party better, a new board - /ret/ - Retards - was created. Users from Soyjak Party are welcome to continue their ironic funposting in /ret/ - Retards and /test/ - Testing/Spamming boards, as well as voice their criticism against the scientific establishment in /sss/ - Stuff Scientists Say board.

That is all for today.

Once again, happy new year!
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>>526
same shit different browser
excuse the blurryness this is through xwayland because i couldn't be bothered to setup something i don't use
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>>526
>>527
It looks like your browser is inverting lightness, so the text color ends up clashing with the background.

You'll have to either ad block the background: 
https://mathchan.org/assets/bg.png

Or you'll have to use the Stylus extension and add the following rule 
body { background: #2f2f2f; }

Or you'll have to wait until Mathchan gets a dark theme.

>pic rel
How it should look like in stock Chromium.
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>>529
yeah that's fine, again i wrote a stylish CSS anyway and considering this is quite new i don't expect everything to work ootb

by the way, it seems like when you delete threads/posts they are just deleted in the database, or something idk how vichan works but point is that they're still accessible, just hidden
files however seem to be gone

as a result i have recovered some old threads and many test threads on this board alone
what will i do with them? i don't know, but i have them

anyways, cool site lukyon (and from what i hear, friends)
let's make this chan great
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  No. 531
>>530
>by the way, it seems like when you delete threads/posts they are just deleted in the database, or something idk how vichan works but point is that they're still accessible, just hidden
There are also hidden boards like >>>/polsci/ and a few others.

Some threads are actually still in the database but hidden, while those that you recovered were residual due to a bug because this site is kludgy as fuck. It will take some time to make it stable, which is why we don't advertise this site anywhere despite it being online. Though there is nothing in those threads except embarassing shitposts and test posts to amuse yourself (like this one https://mathchan.org/meta/thread/236)

>10 Aug 2021
wew.
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  No. 532
>>530
Added dark theme to Mathchan.
Hopefully it will make the website more usable for a lot of people.

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  No. 505
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You do realize most 4channers are borderline retarded right? Yes even including the pseuds on /sci/, /g/, and /lit/. Why waste server money on a website like this when you could just use Quora or Overflow or Reddit or something?
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  No. 510 >>511
Quora is horrible.

Bvffalo.land is a great way to invite unwanted attention to any board. The indexers never seem to put much thought behind their lists. It's not like they'll respect you emailing them to be taken off once they eventually find your site.
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>>510
I suggested bvffalo.land because it accepts slow chans with small communities. allchans.org is better but they don't accept most additions. Shilling the site on 4chan is an alternative but it's difficult because mods will ban you for advertising.
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  No. 512
>>511
>allchans
>doesn't accept all chans
heh, ironic.
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  No. 513
>>511
That's reasonable. What's most important is the longevity/continuity of a community.
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  No. 516
>>508
I stumbled across this board by accident from DuckDuckGo. So far I love it. I was looking for math discussion.

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