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I have an honest question about what I should be doing as an undergrad math major in the US.

It seems to me that an undergrad internship is:
>analyism - fight against everyone else
>education - poor simulator
>research - fight against the top 45 unis
>actuarial - questionable
>anything else - lack domain-specific knowledge

Trying to find any of these is sort of rough, so I'm wondering where to look other than google.com, indeed, glassdoor, fed websites, and research institutions.
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>>7
Well... it depends on where you are, what year you're in, and what you're trying to do. Obviously the answer will be different if advising a math major trying to sell out of undergrad vs. one intending to go grad school --> postdoc --> R1 TT.

Since the latter is so difficult, I think the worst thing you can do to yourself is graduate with 0 marketable skills apart from LaTeX, being able to use a web browser, etc. You are literally worse off than the biz majors you probably look down upon for being brutish apes who don't do any work; really, you'll be no different than some Africana Studies major, but at least they can go to some policy nonprofit lol.

Take a class or two on numerical methods/ computational statistics/ machine learning and *definitely* at least take intro computer science. If anything, that should also "unlock" your TCS classes and so on. I feel that is a very interesting, promising area.

>analyism - fight against everyone else

I am not sure what "analyism" is.

>education

Yeah, don't. Maybe after freshman year... it does not exactly help you for grad school, but you're hired to be researching *and* teaching as a professor. Teaching is annoying, but it pays. I think TA'ships during the academic year are more interesting/ compelling/ notable than something over the summer. But, this does not really give you much to write about in your statement of purpose.

>research

Talk to your professors. Talk to any postdocs at your uni. Talk to your advisor. Take hard classes, figure out what you want to do, and just start cold emailing the people who do things even just vaguely related to that. Younger academics/ postdocs are much more likely to have things to dump onto you/ be willing to take you on than will tenured faculty; I think it is literally a matter of "they have not gotten tired of it yet" + it helps them to have "advised XYZ and they are now successful" brownie points on their CV -- student success is a huge part of promotion considerations!

The national labs have a number of opportunities, as do a number of privately funded places and companies' research divisions. Lo and behold, none of these places are really going to have undergrads come in and do pure math. REUs or something at your university are really your only recourse on that front. If you demonstrably know some serious physics/ engineering/ computer science, you have a great shot at the national labs. I would look at JHU APL, NASA JPL, Flatiron Institute, DE Shaw Research (DESRES), Lincoln Lab... etc. these are mostly east coast (because I am on the east coast), but there are certainly plenty of others.

Basically all that goes on at the companies is engineering "research" and machine learning shit...

>fight against the top 45 unis

You're doing this for literally anything you apply to btw.

>actuarial

Yeah, soul-killing I think.

Quant finance is the biggest sham on the planet. Don't do it unless you are really interested in that for its own sake. Especially don't do it if you're not seriously interested in computer science, low latency programming/ computing, and to a lesser extent probability theory.

>anything else - lack domain-specific knowledge

I think it is worth applying to most of these still. Again, you should apply for software engineering things to just give yourself the option and because it will come in handy at some point/ you're doing some work future you would have needed to figure out anyways (like how the fuck bash/ zsh work and what a compiler is).
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>>8
Thank you for responding.

I should clarify that I am currently in my 2nd year at a very small university. I'm sort of afraid of the horror stories that all I could graduate with is calc series, linear algebra, and random math classes not taught in depth to be useful. I just hope that I don't fall badly behind in terms of math stuff because there isn't really a general itinerary for classes across undergrads.

I've done/currently doing the Calc series, linear algebra, a statistics class, and numerical and complex analysis. The file is the stupid project I did for a linear algebra class. Didn't know what else to post.

My mathematics degree at my university is strange (they call it BsC in mathematics (general)), and I'm considering switching to something their other mathematics degree (Computational Mathematics), but I'm afraid I'd end up fragging myself with the workload of mathematics, CS, and physics.

>numerical methods/CS
I currently am taking a numerical analysis class. I enjoy the various methods introduced, bisection, newton's, secant, etc. It's fun and one of my favorite classes so far.
I am also taking an intro CS class and it's pretty easy since I had to do a lot of while loops/simulations in my physics labs I took before.

>computational statistics/ machine learning
I had a regular good ol' statistics class, but those aren't offered. We don't really get to choose classes due to how small the school is.

>I am not sure what "analyism" is.
Honestly, neither am I. I just see that term thrown around when I'm looking for internships. Data analysts, mostly.

>Talk to your professors. Talk to any postdocs at your uni. Talk to your advisor.
All pretty much dead ends. Both mathematics professors at our uni are tenured, and one is even the dean. They don't really offer anything.

>cold emailing the people who do things even just vaguely related to that
Does that seriously work? I've considered it but I have no idea how something like that would work. Seems like a long shot.

>some serious physics/ engineering/ computer science
I'm doing a very small, inconsequential physics project for my physics class about muon lifetime, but it doesn't seem important or very advanced in my opinion. I'm probably going to use it as a writing sample.

>You're doing this for literally anything you apply to btw.
Well, I should have actually gone to one instead of staying in my hometown. Oh well, mistakes were made.

>apply for software engineering
I'd think that a CS major would beat me in everything related to this, even if I had a little bit of CS under my belt. I don't have any major projects that are CS-related, nor do I have much experience with actual scripting outside of basic programs.